Talk:Home

Which tribes are being worked on?

Are there anyone who are working on the pages for the tribes? If so which one? Sladerfisk (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not working on writing any pages. User:Aqwek and User:Drachenlebenstil have both written significant content on the HiveWings page. Bog (talk) 14:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I started to work in seawings, are there any templates we are following for the different tribe pages? Sladerfisk (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

First paragraph should be an overview of most important info, then Appearance section, after that something like culture and behaviors (for things like social interactions, holidays, language, etc.) And then perhaps a history section. Bog (talk) 18:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

What images can we use?

Where can we find sources for images that can be used? Sladerfisk (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I’m gonna say keep it to official Wof images at least for now. I’m not sure where the best sources would be, but don’t worry too much about image quality because images can always be updated later.

The image I added to The Dragonet Prophecy is extracted from a PDF version. Bog (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

So there should be no problem if we used the images from the guides of dragons of Pyrriah/Pantala part of the books? Sladerfisk (talk) 21:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes that’s fine Bog (talk) 21:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

American or British English?

LanguageTools is screaming at me for using "color" so I'm just going to ask if we should use American or British English on the Wiki. Aqwek (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I think either would be perfectly alright, as long as it's spelled correctly and consistent throughout the whole article. Although, I typically write under the conventions of Commonwealth English, but I'm just choosing to write with American conventions simply because this is an American book series, you don't have to do that though. Drachenlebenstil (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes this ^

The variety of English does not matter so long as it is consistent throughout the article. Bog (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Tribe Page Layout

This is what I've been guessing the layout should be, and I'm putting it here so that we keep stuff consistent and can change this if we need to.

Base Summary

Appearance

Abilities

Society/Culture

Names

History Aqwek (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't names be part of society/culture, rather than it's own section? Sladerfisk (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Referencing

I have all the books (I think) in paperback, so I can help with referencing. Rusty (talk) 05:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Should we use the pdf versions for page number, or just the books? There seems aleast to a different compared to the pdf on the Internet Archive, and my version of the books. I only have the paperback and not the hardcover so I don't know if there might be a difference between those versione. Sladerfisk (talk) 20:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Pdf or book page for citation?

Should we use the page from the book version or the pdf version? There is a clear different, for example The Lost Heir page 156 on the pdf version found on The Internet Archive is page 118 on my paper back version. It could as well also be a different page on the hardcover version (but I can't check because I don't own that version). And thats also not taking into acount that there might even be regional differencess.

I personally think we should refer to the pdf page number. One, because it is easier to find infomration there, because you can just ctrl + f to find a centense. Second, you don't need to own the books to find the correct page.

What are yours opinions about this? Sladerfisk (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

What do you think of using chapters and paragraphs instead? They'll consistent across all current and future publications.

Book Title, chapter #, paragraph # Bog (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I aggre that that is probbably the best solution to be honest.

Should the paragraph be a qoute of the citaded information? Sladerfisk (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

No quotes are needed, just a reference :) Bog (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? (Im kinda new to writing a wiki (and a bit slow too lol)) Sladerfisk (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

In the visual editor, there is a button that says Cite. If you press that button, it lets you add a little citation number to where your text cursor is and adds a reference to the bottom of the page. In the popup, you can type the name of the ref like

The Dragonet Prophecy, chapter 3, paragraph 5 Bog (talk) 21:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Ooohh, right. And a new paragraph starts with an indent right? So for example if you where to cite the fact that SkyWings lives in Possibility, you would write: Winter Truning, chapter 16, paragraph 42. Right? Sladerfisk (talk) 21:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly right :)

Make sure you double check the spelling of Winter Turning and surround in in square braces like [[Winter Turning]] Bog (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I will make sure to do that lol, thanks for the help ^v^ (sry Im a bit slow) Sladerfisk (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I will make sure to fix my old citations. Sladerfisk (talk) 21:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Consistency and convention on book titles between pages

I've seen some slight differences between the namings of specific books between pages, main series and graphic novels, and for the sake of working the problem out in advance and to fix links and references on pages right now, I think there could maybe be some sort of convention or agreement for book names and such.

For the main series books, they're decently alright as is, and I'm all happy to just refer to them as their short names on other pages, like The Dragonet Prophecy and Moon Rising. HOWEVER, I feel they could be a little clearer in the leads of their own articles, with each article about the books starting out with something like:

Wings of Fire: The Dragonet Prophecy, simply The Dragonet Prophecy, is...

Wings of Fire: Winter Turning, simply Winter Turning, is...

That's my idea for now at least.

As for the graphic novels, I've seen a lot of variation between articles in their naming, sooo, I posit that they're simply called:

The Dark Secret: The Graphic Novel

Escaping Peril: The Graphic Novel

For how they'd be called in the lead on their respective pages, when they're made, I'm unsure myself, they could be called the exact same as they're called simply, or something like:

Wings of Fire: The Graphic Novel, Book Two: The Lost Heir is...

Wings of Fire: The Graphic Novel, Winter Turning is...

I honestly think it's better to refer to them simply on their own pages, but what do yous think? Drachenlebenstil (talk) 03:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Wings of Fire: The Dragonet Prophecy, simply The Dragonet Prophecy, is...

I like this format a lot.

Article names should have variations in parenthesis like The Dragonet Prophecy (graphic novel). But I'm also not sure about the lead. This listing on Goodreads is "Moon Rising: The Graphic Novel" but it is an outlier. All the others are simply titled the same as the original novels. Bog (talk) 05:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, cool, I think that having it in parenthesis does make a good bit more sense. As for the lead, I did have one idea that I think could work well:

Winter Turning is the seventh novel in the Wings of Fire: The Graphic Novel series...

Although, it could be a little confusing on first viewing which would probably just be easily fixed with a redirect/clarification at the top of the article and I think wouldn't be too big of an issue, but just in case, I suggest this also:

In the Wings of Fire: The Graphic Novel series, Winter Turning is the seventh book...

Which literally could just be MORE confusing, I have no idea, but that's the best idea for an opening in the lead I've made as of now though. Drachenlebenstil (talk) 07:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Discord server?

Should we create a discord server for the wiki? Sladerfisk (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

We may at a later date, but right now I don't want to have to worry about managing both a wiki and Discord and making sure information makes its way between both and all that.

If anything, I would improve the wiki discussion tools before extending to another service. Bog (talk) 14:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

PSA: You don't need to add the Stubs category (and other things)

Hi all! Thanks for you continuous contribution. We now have over a hundred pages and over a thousand edits. Hooray!

I want to clear up a bit of confusion around the Stubs category. You do NOT need to add this category manually. The category is automatically added when you insert Template:Stub, which you can do by typing {{ in the visual editor. This is also how you add other page notices as well as book infoboxes and character infoboxes.

For anyone not caught up with the citation discussion, citations from the novels should use Template:Cite book, which can be done by clicking Cite in the visual editor toolbar, then Book. It will ask you for the name of the book, the chapter, and the paragraph. If a portion of the writing is poetry (like song lyrics or a prophecy poem), each stanza is counted as a paragraph.

This still might be confusing for readers who want to follow citations. On the Peril page, User:Nebula included quotes within the citations. Do we want to add this to the template and normalize this across all pages? I think it would be easier to refer back to citations this way. Let me know your thoughts. Bog (talk) 06:46, 22 December 2024 (PST)

OK, I think it's a cool idea and would probably be a good investment to add it to the template, but I think it shouldn't be a 'rule' with every citation, since some quotes for citations might be really wordy or just confusing as a standalone quote. BUT YES, cool idea and I'm all happy to start including quotes.

However, I do have one small caveat, which is that long quotes can really muddle and confuse a paragraph when the reference is defined within that paragraph, when viewed with the source editor. In a paragraph filled with a lot of citations including quotes, this could make it pretty hard to edit for those using source. There is a way that one could define and name citations within the references section with Template:reflist instead, and fix that issue, but as it stands, can only be done in the source editor and can only be edited in the source editor too.

Grantedly though, from what I've seen, a lot more people prefer using the visual editor instead, and rightfully so. This is no hill I'm willing to die on, so if it does become normalised, I'm all good to start using the visual editor instead if the source editor gets a little muddy. Drachenlebenstil (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2024 (PST)

Well, we have a bias, because we are the ones who introduced those references! (For Tsunami too, if you want more examples.) Even so, our two cents are: 1) it totally is convenient for locating a citation in a book, and, maybe more importantly, 2) it allows you to immediately "check" previous editors' work. This is a big deal because, with consistency, it makes the wiki way more reliable. It encourages not just putting a citation at the very end of a paragraph, but really challenging the different points. And - well, it's not just more reliable, but it's more useful too, because every citation is a starting point into exploring scenes of the books. That "works" with citations without quotes too, but quotes encourage more citations, they are easier to use, and they are more interesting (words instead of just numbers!!). So we like them! :+1:

We agree with User:Drachenlebenstil that the quotes absolutely should not be necessary. So much of the value of a wiki is in letting people, you know, add what they want to, wikiwiki - quickly! You don't need to add a citation when you add a new statement, and you don't need to include a quote when you add a citation. Other editors will come sooner or later and help fill in the blanks. It's a wiki! It's collaborative!

Re: the source editor, we much much much much prefer to use it! LOL. The visual editor is very cool and awesome and good for lots of people and we just don't like it. Personally, long inline references are not that inconvenient for us, but that's not really a good thing hahaha - As long as references written with Template:reflist remain editable through the visual editor, we'd be happy to use that wherever we do refs. But if existing refs written that way can't be edited in the visual editor, then I think we're stuck with inline refs. I for sure feel the usefulness of quotes outweighs the jumbled source-editor lines (which I'll continue to cope with), but it's a bit unfortunate, for sure.

Thank you for raising a discussion about this!! (Also for clarifying that one stanza is one paragraph :bless:) Nebula (talk) 05:45, 23 December 2024 (PST)